Thanks Cliff for your comments.

> >
> that is why we have intellectual property laws. i find that many ideas
> are not actually stolen, but you can always use a good IP attorney to
> prepare a patent application.

True, very true. John made a good point regarding patents when he said
" You could patent it, however if something is so simple that tens of
millions
of people would make it themselves rather than buy it then the cost of
defending the patent would be more than the income to be derived from the
sales."

I have investigated this here in Australia and made some progress, there are
also design registrations available which I am inclined towards that might
be suitable.
The real intellectual property is in the product manual I think as the tool
is useless without it.

> >
> This is easily fixed with a good marketing presentation and some social
> proof. It depends on the exact genre of the invention, the kind of
> social proof that you will need. If this is the only thing holding you
> back from millions of dollars, then it is easily remedied.

Okay Cliff, I will come clean about the genre of my product.
It is a measuring device based on math but you do not need to be
mathematically inclined at all to use it.
It is a template that accurately (usually within 0 -3 periods) identifies
trigger points in any World financial market (Using a chart of the
instrument being tracked, stocks, commodities, bonds etc). The problem is
that intelligent people know that the only way that such a device could
possibly work was if financial markets were not random and most people
believe that they are...........

I will email you Cliff and maybe send you a book if you could give me a
mailing address.


> _____cliff_rayman_________________________________ ____
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> [web] http://www.rayman.com/
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> [eml] cliff _AT_ rayman.com
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Nowhereman wrote:

>
> Thanks Cliff for your comments.
>
>> >
>> that is why we have intellectual property laws. i find that many ideas
>> are not actually stolen, but you can always use a good IP attorney to
>> prepare a patent application.
>
> True, very true. John made a good point regarding patents when he said
> " You could patent it, however if something is so simple that tens of
> millions
> of people would make it themselves rather than buy it then the cost of
> defending the patent would be more than the income to be derived from the
> sales."
>
> I have investigated this here in Australia and made some progress, there
> are also design registrations available which I am inclined towards that
> might be suitable.
> The real intellectual property is in the product manual I think as the
> tool is useless without it.
>
>> >
>> This is easily fixed with a good marketing presentation and some social
>> proof. It depends on the exact genre of the invention, the kind of
>> social proof that you will need. If this is the only thing holding you
>> back from millions of dollars, then it is easily remedied.
>
> Okay Cliff, I will come clean about the genre of my product.
> It is a measuring device based on math but you do not need to be
> mathematically inclined at all to use it.
> It is a template that accurately (usually within 0 -3 periods) identifies
> trigger points in any World financial market (Using a chart of the
> instrument being tracked, stocks, commodities, bonds etc). The problem is
> that intelligent people know that the only way that such a device could
> possibly work was if financial markets were not random and most people
> believe that they are...........
>
> I will email you Cliff and maybe send you a book if you could give me a
> mailing address.

A fellow named Joe Granville came up with something like that about 30 years
ago--his method worked remarkably well for a while, then everybody started
using it and the rules ceased to be valid. Granville made a lot of money
in the meantime.

>> _____cliff_rayman_________________________________ ____
>> Business Consulting and Turnaround Management
>> [web] http://www.rayman.com/
>> [web] http://all-clear-turnaround-management.com/
>> [eml] cliff _AT_ rayman.com
>> [phn] 888-736-3802 x701
>> [fax] 818-743-7404
>> __________________________________________________ ____
>>

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Nowhereman wrote:
>

> It is a template that accurately (usually within 0 -3 periods) identifies
> trigger points in any World financial market (Using a chart of the
> instrument being tracked, stocks, commodities, bonds etc). The problem is
> that intelligent people know that the only way that such a device could
> possibly work was if financial markets were not random and most people
> believe that they are...........
>

There was a book published last year on this topic. My memory is off on
the author's name and exact title, but it was by the inventor of
"fractals". His point was that markets are not random. Maybe somebody
else remembers the exact title and name of the author.

Herb

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