On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:07:41 GMT, Carol W <from_you@nomail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:19:38 -0700, Don <no@adr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:44:51 GMT, Carol W <from_you@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0700, Don <no@adr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've tried twice now to submit this site for inclusion in the "Open Directory", and nothing shows
>>>>up. It has been 5 months now since the last time I submitted it.
>>>>
>>>>The site is "ariosoduo.com"
>>>>
>>>>Any comments regarding why I'm having trouble getting it in the "Open Directory" would be greatly
>>>>appreciated.
>>>
>>>Some editors have shared the heartening thoughts that it can take
>>>anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 years before you may see your site listed
>>>in the ODP.
>>>
>>>Resubmitting removes your older 'request' with the newer one - meaning
>>>you put your site further down the queu when resubmitting it. One
>>>editor posted in another NG a couple or so months back that some
>>>editors don't even use the queu but seek out sites for inclusion 'on
>>>their own'.
>>>
>>>In other words, submit your URL then file your fingernails and do
>>>other things but don't hold your breath about "when" your site may
>>>appear - as you will be completely in the dark on if 1] the editor has
>>>checked their queu 2] the editor has looked at your site 3] the editor
>>>has decided to reject your site [due to you being over-sealous in your
>>>site description submitted or other reasons], and-or 4] whatever.
>>>
>>>So I guess one should wait around 2 years before resubmitting?
>>>
>>>Carol
>>Thanks Carol for your comments. Well, I knew it took a while, but didn't think it could take 2
>>years. Wow!
>
>That's what one DMOZ editor happily posted in another NG a few weeks
>back and didn't bat an eyelash over the notion of keeping people in
>the dark for that long - so resubmitting could just start the 2 weeks
>to 2 years waiting period over from scratch.
>
>You could _*nicely*_ inquire at the DMOZ's forum [I don't have the URL
>handy for it] and they can give you tell if its still in the queu.
>That would be about the extent of the info you will get if it is still
>in the queu. If it has been rejected, they might let you know that. If
>it has - I doubt they will inform you as to why it was but if it was
>then you have that bit of knowledge which would go along with the next
>thought you shared on what you can work on BEFORE resubmitting:
>
>>Well guess I'll just wait it out. I was wondering if maybe the site content might
>>have something to do with it. But, probably not. I'll just have to wait.
>
>Now about this:
>
>My client was wondering
>>why they still haven't seen any results from Google and MSN. I think they use the Open Directory.
>
>Google and some other places base their Directory listings off the
>DMOZ - this is NOT their search index though; so apples and oranges
>thought.
>
>To parrot Big Bill: get links pointing to your site. The DMOZ, due it
>being mirrored, helps on the backlinks thought a bit - but you/your
>client will need to get some others besides the DMOZ [especially since
>it has been around 5 months of waiting on a listing in the DMOZ].
>
>Having links leading your way is the best way to get listed in _any_
>search engine. Getting indexed on a search engine is the easy part.
>Get some nice links leading your way - say from PR4 or above pages
>[not sites, but pages] - and it is said the googlebot will visit your
>site more often to look for new content. MSN and Yahoo spiders just
>show up - sometimes more frequently one month than another [e.g. lsat
>month MSN's bot visited my site 65 times ... which I don't refresh the
>contents _that_ often].
>
>If the client is wondering about ranking - then that is a different
>basket of apples; inbound links help on that but so can some on-page
>tweaks and anchor text touches [for the inbound and on-page links].
>Depends on what kind of text copy they are offering, how it was
>worded, what keywords/keyphrases they are shooting for - and the
>competitiveness of those words/phrases, etc.
>
>Carol
Thanks Carol. Lots of good information there. I can see I've got a lot to learn yet about how
search engines work.

Thanks much for your time and thoughts.
Regards,
Don

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