I have been looking at a few of these recently. I'm a bit of a newbie but
looking to optimise our site for a better ranking for our keywords
(currently its pretty non existent after several years on the web)

Does anyone know if these packages are any good? Do they work and are the
search engines Ok about them or will they regard their use as multiple
submission?

Finally does anyone know which one is the best to use assuming I should use
one at all.

TIA

Ian
Oxford
England

On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:48:41 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
<imid@argenteus.co.uk> wrote:

>I have been looking at a few of these recently. I'm a bit of a newbie but
>looking to optimise our site for a better ranking for our keywords
>(currently its pretty non existent after several years on the web)
>
>Does anyone know if these packages are any good? Do they work and are the
>search engines Ok about them or will they regard their use as multiple
>submission?
>
>Finally does anyone know which one is the best to use assuming I should use
>one at all.
>
>TIA
>
>Ian
>Oxford
>England

What you need is an inbound link from a site already indexed by the
engines and regularly spidered. Do not under any circumstances use a
submission package. Directories, though, you can and should submit to.
Not engines, though.

BB

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Thanks for the advice. Couple of questions though.

What is an inbound link and how do I get one? Our site is picked up by the
search engines and if I search for the company name I get lots of references
but if I search for keywords associated with the site such as "jewellery" we
are virtually nowhere.

We get a regular newsletter from Actinic software (we use their ecommerce
package) and they advise using submission software and say that even if we
are picked up by the spiders we should still re-submit to search engines.
You seem to be saying this is a complete no no. is there a reason for this?

Ian

"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:48:41 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
> <imid@argenteus.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I have been looking at a few of these recently. I'm a bit of a newbie but
>>looking to optimise our site for a better ranking for our keywords
>>(currently its pretty non existent after several years on the web)
>>
>>Does anyone know if these packages are any good? Do they work and are the
>>search engines Ok about them or will they regard their use as multiple
>>submission?
>>
>>Finally does anyone know which one is the best to use assuming I should
>>use
>>one at all.
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Ian
>>Oxford
>>England
>
> What you need is an inbound link from a site already indexed by the
> engines and regularly spidered. Do not under any circumstances use a
> submission package. Directories, though, you can and should submit to.
> Not engines, though.
>
> BB
>
> --
> www.kruse.co.uk/ seo@kruse.demon.co.uk
> seo that watches the river flow...
> --

On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:04:09 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
<imid@argenteus.co.uk> wrote:

>Thanks for the advice. Couple of questions though.
>
>What is an inbound link and how do I get one? Our site is picked up by the
>search engines and if I search for the company name I get lots of references
>but if I search for keywords associated with the site such as "jewellery" we
>are virtually nowhere.
>
>We get a regular newsletter from Actinic software (we use their ecommerce
>package) and they advise using submission software and say that even if we
>are picked up by the spiders we should still re-submit to search engines.

They talk rubbish.

BB


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Ian Middleton wrote:

> Thanks for the advice. Couple of questions though.
>
> What is an inbound link and how do I get one?

ibl = link from another site to yours.

The bootstrapping problem is: how do you get your first links.

Depends on your contents. Two years ago, I submitted a link to an
article to about.com, and it was honored within a few hours :-)

You can try to find blogs that are related to your content, and mention
your site.

You can use a signature, and hope someone links to your site, or sites
that "archive" usenet posts keep your link(s) intact.

All in all, this takes time. Get content, good content, on your site,
and people will link to it. Content = new pages.

> Our site is picked up by
> the search engines and if I search for the company name I get lots of
> references but if I search for keywords associated with the site such
> as "jewellery" we are virtually nowhere.

Start a blog on jewellery: latest fashion, new designs, etc. Don't be
afraid to link (normal, no rel="nofollow") to related sites.

> We get a regular newsletter from Actinic software (we use their
> ecommerce package) and they advise using submission software and say
> that even if we are picked up by the spiders we should still re-submit
> to search engines. You seem to be saying this is a complete no no. is
> there a reason for this?

Because it's crap. Nowadays, to get in major se's fast, ibls are enough.

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On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:04:09 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
<imid@argenteus.co.uk> wrote:

>Thanks for the advice. Couple of questions though.
>
>What is an inbound link and how do I get one? Our site is picked up by the
>search engines and if I search for the company name I get lots of references
>but if I search for keywords associated with the site such as "jewellery" we
>are virtually nowhere.
>
>We get a regular newsletter from Actinic software (we use their ecommerce
>package) and they advise using submission software and say that even if we
>are picked up by the spiders we should still re-submit to search engines.
>You seem to be saying this is a complete no no. is there a reason for this?
>
>Ian
>
>"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:0rp481h2icfb3l5nnu6utnk68jo73e14mo@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:48:41 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
>> <imid@argenteus.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>I have been looking at a few of these recently. I'm a bit of a newbie but
>>>looking to optimise our site for a better ranking for our keywords
>>>(currently its pretty non existent after several years on the web)
>>>
>>>Does anyone know if these packages are any good? Do they work and are the
>>>search engines Ok about them or will they regard their use as multiple
>>>submission?
>>>
>>>Finally does anyone know which one is the best to use assuming I should
>>>use
>>>one at all.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Ian
>>>Oxford
>>>England
>>
>> What you need is an inbound link from a site already indexed by the
>> engines and regularly spidered. Do not under any circumstances use a
>> submission package. Directories, though, you can and should submit to.
>> Not engines, though.
>>
>> BB
>>
>> --
>> www.kruse.co.uk/ seo@kruse.demon.co.uk
>> seo that watches the river flow...
>> --
>
Ian
What is your URL, can I take a look ?
I run a jewelry site for someone and if your site looks okay, I'll
link to you and visa versa.
plh
Paul

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www.argenteus.co.uk

Hope you like it!

Ian

> Ian
> What is your URL, can I take a look ?
> I run a jewelry site for someone and if your site looks okay, I'll
> link to you and visa versa.
> plh
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Ian Middleton wrote:
> www.argenteus.co.uk

The content looks pretty good. A couple of quickie suggestions: Put an
<h1> tag in there, and be sure you have some meaningful "alt" text for
your images.

RFM

On 13 May 2005 10:06:16 -0700, "Fritz M" <nospam@masoner.net> wrote:

>Ian Middleton wrote:
>> www.argenteus.co.uk
>
>The content looks pretty good. A couple of quickie suggestions: Put an
><h1> tag in there, and be sure

Ahem

> you have some meaningful "alt" text for
>your images.

Why this last?

BB

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Thanks for the advice.

Just figured out a way to get 3 <h1> tags in there! I didn't do the front
page design so it took a bit of working around to squeeze them in without
making a mess of the whole page. Think we are looking at a full re-design
there soon anyway.

Also I have made sure that all the alt tags have the word jewellery pretty
close to the front if not the first word. I had started to do this before
but I've really pushed it now.

Would I need to be doing this on all our pages or just concentrate on the
index page?

Ian

"Fritz M" <nospam@masoner.net> wrote in message
news:1116003976.246115.187380@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Ian Middleton wrote:
>> www.argenteus.co.uk
>
> The content looks pretty good. A couple of quickie suggestions: Put an
> <h1> tag in there, and be sure you have some meaningful "alt" text for
> your images.
>
> RFM
>