On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:08:36 -0700, "Mike" <add@mcnabs.com> wrote:

>My site is very popular with Google and MSN but nothing with Yahoo. I have
>been trying to figure this out for a couple years now. No one seems to have
>a clue why I am not listed. Here is my site www.mcnabs.com . Anyone have
>any idea why? Yahoo's spider visits my site just about every day.

Much as we ourselves do, it seems sometimes.
Hey - you took all the links off from the side. That's good, site
doesn't look so cluttered now.
You know you have testimonials from previus Mcnabs clients? Why not
simply call that real estate testimonials? or use Wordtracker to find
out what related testimonials are being searched for and call the link
that? See, stuff like that can help a lot. Do the engines know what a
mcnab testimonial is? No - stupid, they! But they know what a real
estate testimonial is, so use this opportunity to tell them that you
have some!
And then go through the site thinking like that. Yahoo we'll worry
about later. Something odd is happening with Yahoo and indexing and I
dunno what it is yet.

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I agree with you that my site can use some more tweaking but it should be
ranked the way it is. I am not in the top 1000 for any keywords. I think I
have been blacklisted in some way. I am listed in their directory but they
refuse to update my title, description and category. I have been trying for
years to get them to change them.


> Much as we ourselves do, it seems sometimes.
> Hey - you took all the links off from the side. That's good, site
> doesn't look so cluttered now.
> You know you have testimonials from previus Mcnabs clients? Why not
> simply call that real estate testimonials? or use Wordtracker to find
> out what related testimonials are being searched for and call the link
> that? See, stuff like that can help a lot. Do the engines know what a
> mcnab testimonial is? No - stupid, they! But they know what a real
> estate testimonial is, so use this opportunity to tell them that you
> have some!
> And then go through the site thinking like that. Yahoo we'll worry
> about later. Something odd is happening with Yahoo and indexing and I
> dunno what it is yet.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:35:29 -0700, "Mike" <add@mcnabs.com> wrote:

>I agree with you that my site can use some more tweaking but it should be
>ranked the way it is. I am not in the top 1000 for any keywords. I think I
>have been blacklisted in some way. I am listed in their directory but they
>refuse to update my title, description and category. I have been trying for
>years to get them to change them.

Yahoo early on - after releasing their new search - got a rep for
penalizing sites they felt were trying to spam or trick their spiders
somehow. The few that have gotten their sites relisted in Yahoo -
"few" in this context meaning the 'few' that posted about being
relisted - shared that they first wrote to Yahoo search to get
confirmation that they were penalized/banned then fixed the problem[s]
.... then waited a while [around 9 months average of a wait]. In other
words, if you are banned or penalized on Yahoo - you will have to
clean up the site to BEFORE asking to be reincluded - and Yahoo has
been said to inform a person if their site has been penalized [removed
from index] but they won't drop any hints about why outside "refer to
our guidelines thoughts".

If you feel you are penalized then I would look at the subdirectory
set-up on your site where you have subdirectories' folders named to
share the same keywords that the one page, in that subdirectory, also
has in its file name. Such as
/keyword1-keyword2-keyword3/keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.html

Reason I suggest that is that at one time Yahoo, in their guidelines,
dropped a big hint about _not_ liking people doing that - in terms of
'going out of their way' or 'excessively' using that naming technique
due to knowing SEs noted keywords in the file names. Your site makes
heavy use of this naming process - almost every page has its own
subdirectory folder.

Yahoo's guidelines wording changes often - I think they are on their
3rd or 4th 'revision' of that page. Some thoughts once shared are
dropped - but that doesn't mean those thoughts are dropped by Yahoo
Search, just dropped from being shared on the Guidelines page. Big
Bill recalls them once saying that they leaned to valid HTML pages and
now that is not listed - they also used to list "well-designed" and
"site layout" as criteria and those two thoughts are not shared now
either but they have retained, I think, the thought about not
designing the site or laying out the site contents 'for search
engines' and that is a nice gray area thought.

Carol

Does anyone know how to get Yahoo to unpenalize me? Do they have an email
address to petition this banning?


"Carol W" <from_you@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:30ir21tt0avfjpt00kdormqst0uab7bua4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:35:29 -0700, "Mike" <add@mcnabs.com> wrote:
>
>>I agree with you that my site can use some more tweaking but it should be
>>ranked the way it is. I am not in the top 1000 for any keywords. I think
>>I
>>have been blacklisted in some way. I am listed in their directory but
>>they
>>refuse to update my title, description and category. I have been trying
>>for
>>years to get them to change them.
>
> Yahoo early on - after releasing their new search - got a rep for
> penalizing sites they felt were trying to spam or trick their spiders
> somehow. The few that have gotten their sites relisted in Yahoo -
> "few" in this context meaning the 'few' that posted about being
> relisted - shared that they first wrote to Yahoo search to get
> confirmation that they were penalized/banned then fixed the problem[s]
> ... then waited a while [around 9 months average of a wait]. In other
> words, if you are banned or penalized on Yahoo - you will have to
> clean up the site to BEFORE asking to be reincluded - and Yahoo has
> been said to inform a person if their site has been penalized [removed
> from index] but they won't drop any hints about why outside "refer to
> our guidelines thoughts".
>
> If you feel you are penalized then I would look at the subdirectory
> set-up on your site where you have subdirectories' folders named to
> share the same keywords that the one page, in that subdirectory, also
> has in its file name. Such as
> /keyword1-keyword2-keyword3/keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.html
>
> Reason I suggest that is that at one time Yahoo, in their guidelines,
> dropped a big hint about _not_ liking people doing that - in terms of
> 'going out of their way' or 'excessively' using that naming technique
> due to knowing SEs noted keywords in the file names. Your site makes
> heavy use of this naming process - almost every page has its own
> subdirectory folder.
>
> Yahoo's guidelines wording changes often - I think they are on their
> 3rd or 4th 'revision' of that page. Some thoughts once shared are
> dropped - but that doesn't mean those thoughts are dropped by Yahoo
> Search, just dropped from being shared on the Guidelines page. Big
> Bill recalls them once saying that they leaned to valid HTML pages and
> now that is not listed - they also used to list "well-designed" and
> "site layout" as criteria and those two thoughts are not shared now
> either but they have retained, I think, the thought about not
> designing the site or laying out the site contents 'for search
> engines' and that is a nice gray area thought.
>
> Carol

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:18:03 -0700, "Mike" <add@mcnabs.com> wrote:

>Does anyone know how to get Yahoo to unpenalize me? Do they have an email
>address to petition this banning?

First off you have to find out IF you are banned/penalized by Yahoo.
Yahoo likes to do those auto-generated emails - so you may have to
respond to those to get a human response but Yahoo will tell you if
the site is penalized/banned or not.

If not then your problem lies elsewhere on why it is not showing up in
Yahoo.

If they tell you it has been - then you have to clean up the site then
email them back and wait for one of them to look over your site. That
part is the one most folks don't like - the waiting.

In terms of what addie; supposedly last year an email addie was shared
on WebMasterWorld for those folks to use. I didnt' copy it down but
you could try using one of their help file forms to write to them
through - but one tip shared is NOT asking outright if your site has
been penalized or banned but essentially just share what you have
noticed: "I noticed my site [url] doesn't show up in the Yahoo Search.
....." - that kind of wording.

Carol