Hello,

Back in early March I published a new web site -
www.marsartgallery.com. It seemed that within days Google had indexed
my site.

Tonight I happened to be using Google's image search to search for
images using the term "Olympus Mons." I was surprised to see that the
image I have of Olympus Mons did not appear. Searches for other
images, limited to my domain, all came back with nada, zippo, nothing.

Now, I use the search term in the body near the image, I use the term
in the alt text for the image, and I use the term in a link to the
page containing the image. When I do a standard google using the
term, the page holding the image turns up in the search results.

Either

1) I am totally missing something which is why Google has not indexed
any of the images on my site, or

2) Google is absymally slow at adding new images to its database. But
why would pages take only a few days and images take more than 2
months?

I would greatly appreciate any pointers that anyone here could provide
me with.

Please note that my email address is a fake to foil spammers so please
reply to the group.

Thanks in advance.





Best Regards, Jim Plaxco
Astrodigital http://www.astrodigital.org
Mars Art Gallery http://www.marsartgallery.com
Chicago Space Society http://www.chicagospace.org

Jim wrote:

> Either
>
> 1) I am totally missing something which is why Google has not indexed
> any of the images on my site, or

This goes slow. Check your access_log(s), did Googlebot fetch your images?

> 2) Google is absymally slow at adding new images to its database. But
> why would pages take only a few days and images take more than 2
> months?

That's normal, expect to wait several months more.

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Hi John,

On 10 May 2005 04:44:49 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>Jim wrote:
>
>> Either
>>
>> 1) I am totally missing something which is why Google has not indexed
>> any of the images on my site, or
>
>This goes slow. Check your access_log(s), did Googlebot fetch your images?


No. I did not think to do that. I will do so at the next opportunity.


>
>> 2) Google is absymally slow at adding new images to its database. But
>> why would pages take only a few days and images take more than 2
>> months?
>
>That's normal, expect to wait several months more.


Wow. I had no idea that it took them that long to index images. Do
they prioritize the process because I know that I have successfully
searched on images found on other sites where the image hadn't been
out there that long.


Thanks for the info.



Best Regards, Jim Plaxco
Astrodigital http://www.astrodigital.org
Mars Art Gallery http://www.marsartgallery.com
Chicago Space Society http://www.chicagospace.org

Jim wrote:

[ Google Images ]

> Wow. I had no idea that it took them that long to index images. Do
> they prioritize the process because I know that I have successfully
> searched on images found on other sites where the image hadn't been
> out there that long.

I have no idea, I sometimes have the impression that it's done in batches.
If I have time I will check my access_logs if I can confirm this (on my
site that is).

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Beach Comber wrote:

> You are probably seeing some of the "sandbox" effect where new sites
> don't get good ranking for several months.

*images*

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> Wow. I had no idea that it took them that long to index images. Do
> they prioritize the process because I know that I have successfully
> searched on images found on other sites where the image hadn't been
> out there that long.

You are probably seeing some of the "sandbox" effect where new sites
don't get good ranking for several months. My site went online at the
end of January and I'm not seeing any hits from Google for generic
searches. Once you come out of the sandbox you can expect to see new
content appear in searches pretty soon after Google spiders it.

A query with "site:yoursite.com" will show you if you content is in the
index at all. Still, being in the index doesn't mean you will show up
for any generic keyword searches. Several pages of my site come up
with the "site:" query and for very specific, quoted terms but don't
show up at all for unquoted searches on the same text. I imagine the
image query works much the same way.

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Hi Beach Comber,

On 13 May 2005 07:45:09 -0700, "Beach Comber"
<BeachNews@worldbeachlist.com> wrote:

>> Wow. I had no idea that it took them that long to index images. Do
>> they prioritize the process because I know that I have successfully
>> searched on images found on other sites where the image hadn't been
>> out there that long.
>
>You are probably seeing some of the "sandbox" effect where new sites
>don't get good ranking for several months. My site went online at the
>end of January and I'm not seeing any hits from Google for generic
>searches. Once you come out of the sandbox you can expect to see new
>content appear in searches pretty soon after Google spiders it.


Does Google differentiate between text and image searches? As I said
in my original post, the page containing the referenced image does
show up on a Google text search but not on a Google image search.

Looks like I need to read up on the "sandbox".



>
>A query with "site:yoursite.com" will show you if you content is in the
>index at all.


I do show up on page searches but not on image searches.



>Still, being in the index doesn't mean you will show up
>for any generic keyword searches. Several pages of my site come up
>with the "site:" query and for very specific, quoted terms but don't
>show up at all for unquoted searches on the same text. I imagine the
>image query works much the same way.


Beats me.


>
>--Beach Comber (http://worldbeachlist.com/)


Thanks Beach Comber.




Best Regards, Jim Plaxco
Astrodigital http://www.astrodigital.org
Mars Art Gallery http://www.marsartgallery.com
Chicago Space Society http://www.chicagospace.org

Jim wrote:

> Does Google differentiate between text and image searches?

indexing, I guess, yes.

> As I said
> in my original post, the page containing the referenced image does
> show up on a Google text search but not on a Google image search.

Yup, it are two different bots, check your access_log

> Looks like I need to read up on the "sandbox".

Some people think that a new domain first gets a boost in SERPS, and then
drops down for say 3 months. Not all domains suffer from this effect, and
it seems related with how hard it's promoted, if too hard, it seems the
sandbox effect takes place.

So with a new domain, it might you see yourself at #5, then #3, then
for 3 months you drop to #315, and then you are "back", say on #19 for a
given query.

> I do show up on page searches but not on image searches.

image indexing goes much slower, it takes months before it happens (my
experience).

http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=esme
2nd picture, bottom row: took almost 4 months.


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On 15 May 2005 18:11:12 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>Jim wrote:
>
>> Does Google differentiate between text and image searches?
>
>indexing, I guess, yes.
>
>> As I said
>> in my original post, the page containing the referenced image does
>> show up on a Google text search but not on a Google image search.
>
>Yup, it are two different bots, check your access_log
>
>> Looks like I need to read up on the "sandbox".
>
>Some people think that a new domain first gets a boost in SERPS, and then
>drops down for say 3 months. Not all domains suffer from this effect, and
>it seems related with how hard it's promoted, if too hard, it seems the
>sandbox effect takes place.
>
>So with a new domain, it might you see yourself at #5, then #3, then
>for 3 months you drop to #315, and then you are "back", say on #19 for a
>given query.
>
>> I do show up on page searches but not on image searches.
>
>image indexing goes much slower, it takes months before it happens (my
>experience).
>
>http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=esme
>2nd picture, bottom row: took almost 4 months.

I'm wondering, by the same token, if image links may take longer than
text links to be indexed and counted.

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Big Bill wrote:

> On 15 May 2005 18:11:12 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

[ snip ]

>>http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=esme
>>2nd picture, bottom row: took almost 4 months.
>
> I'm wondering, by the same token, if image links may take longer than
> text links to be indexed and counted.

I have no idea why they are slower indexed. Spam related?

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