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Old 05-17-2005, 10:25 PM
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Sure but don't amazong cover every facet of book delivery?

i have no doubt people make money selling books, do they make enough to live on though? Unlikely I would imagine. Perhaps when combined with the 3000 other sites they might in total make enough to live on.

Negativity is a killer huh?
Like I said - Niches. Corey Rudl earns in millions selling his Book which are not carried by Amazon. Even though Amazon sells zillions of business, marketing and advertising books but Corey still does it.

How about you or your mom having a special series of books? Why not develop yourself into a sort of brand? Why not develop some sort of exclusivity in what you sell?

Also, Ladies' segment is really hugeeee (Cookery, personal care etc.) and can really be commercialized on.
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Old 05-17-2005, 11:16 PM
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Like I said - Niches. Corey Rudl earns in millions selling his Book which are not carried by Amazon. Even though Amazon sells zillions of business, marketing and advertising books but Corey still does it.

How about you or your mom having a special series of books? Why not develop yourself into a sort of brand? Why not develop some sort of exclusivity in what you sell?

Also, Ladies' segment is really hugeeee (Cookery, personal care etc.) and can really be commercialized on.
It's funny I just found an "ebook" supposedly by Corey Rudl saying how to make money on the net. It's $20USD. I was going to ask if people had heard of him and their thoughts on him. Is he a con man etc?

My other question - I've been literally up all night trying to work out area's of interest etc. So anyway, I run a fan site for a computer game. I have google ads on there but in the 6 months the site has been active I'm yet to see any money from it. So my question can fan sites make money? Obviously not enough to live on, but I don't know say $20 - $30 / month to cover hosting fee's etc? If more, even better. Or are fan sites not worth the effort in terms of potential revenue earnings? The site is semi-popular. I have over 200 members on the forum, but sadly most never post, it's only a very small handful of people that actually post. The site averages, well let's see, so far this month there have been an average of 165.47 unique visitors a day, last month there was an average of 144.97 visitors a day. Before that the site was on a different server so stats aren't available anymore. Are they good stats? Is there a potential untapped market there?

I thought if fan sites can make money i have some idea's for fan sites on various things I could look at. I know my mum wouldn't mind sitting on a forum and moderating posts, provided the forum/site was generating some income

As for writing an ebook, how do you do that? Is it literally just a PDF document offered at $5 or is there more too it than that?

Do you think this ebook by Cory Rudl is worth it? It's not through his site - it's through a place called "mikkema international". Apparently when buying the book you also get some extra stuff and 100% resell rights to this ebook.

Your thoughts, as always, are appreciated.

(Maybe I should write an ebook on how to go from no idea to making money on the net - once I start making money on the net that is )
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Old 05-17-2005, 11:30 PM
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err... which ebook are you talking about? I never any ebook by Corey that was so cheap. Could you link me to the ebook so as to see if someone is not ripping you by selling his free ebook meant for his affiliates (which is nothing more than crap ).

No, Corey is not a con-man.

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I've been literally up all night trying to work out area's of interest etc. So anyway, I run a fan site for a computer game. I have google ads on there but in the 6 months the site has been active I'm yet to see any money from it. So my question can fan sites make money? Obviously not enough to live on, but I don't know say $20 - $30 / month to cover hosting fee's etc? If more, even better. Or are fan sites not worth the effort in terms of potential revenue earnings? The site is semi-popular. I have over 200 members on the forum, but sadly most never post, it's only a very small handful of people that actually post. The site averages, well let's see, so far this month there have been an average of 165.47 unique visitors a day, last month there was an average of 144.97 visitors a day. Before that the site was on a different server so stats aren't available anymore. Are they good stats? Is there a potential untapped market there?
No, they really are very less to make any profit. But then, it depends on what segment you are in.

For example, finance and loans segment pays in hundreds for click and so do their affiliate programs (leads and action based). Offtopic sites hardly make any money.

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I thought if fan sites can make money i have some idea's for fan sites on various things I could look at. I know my mum wouldn't mind sitting on a forum and moderating posts, provided the forum/site was generating some income
I think that selling products (unless it is through affiliate links) directly can be brand copyright violation.

You really should get into something like health, fitness, beauty, finance etc. rather than fansites to make money.

Also, normal content sites make more money than forums. You should consider forums more of CRM tool rather than a money tool :P

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As for writing an ebook, how do you do that? Is it literally just a PDF document offered at $5 or is there more too it than that?
It is not the format but the content in it what matters. Also, ebooks don't sell at $5, they can even be in thousands of dollars (I remember seeing one for $2000 at CMSwatch).

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It's not through his site - it's through a place called "mikkema international". Apparently when buying the book you also get some extra stuff and 100% resell rights to this ebook.
Then it is most probably a scam. None of Corey's book carry resale rights.
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Old 05-17-2005, 11:52 PM
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err... which ebook are you talking about? I never any ebook by Corey that was so cheap. Could you link me to the ebook so as to see if someone is not ripping you by selling his free ebook meant for his affiliates (which is nothing more than crap ).

No, Corey is not a con-man.
Okay, so I'll look more into him then
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No, they really are very less to make any profit. But then, it depends on what segment you are in.

For example, finance and loans segment pays in hundreds for click and so do their affiliate programs (leads and action based). Offtopic sites hardly make any money.
That's what i figured. Finance sites? If I knew about finance, we wouldn't be in this situation

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I think that selling products (unless it is through affiliate links) directly can be brand copyright violation.

You really should get into something like health, fitness, beauty, finance etc. rather than fansites to make money.

Also, normal content sites make more money than forums. You should consider forums more of CRM tool rather than a money tool :P
You mean general sites on beuty or health (for example) or a content style site? Where do you get content from if you don't know enough about it to write it yourself?

Also, sorry to sound dumb here, what's CRM??

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It is not the format but the content in it what matters. Also, ebooks don't sell at $5, they can even be in thousands of dollars (I remember seeing one for $2000 at CMSwatch).
Hmm okay. I thought $5 sounded reasonable for an electronic "book". So you can literally make an ebook on anything?

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Then it is most probably a scam. None of Corey's book carry resale rights.
The site is http://lessworkmoremoney.com/rudl/indexggl.html
It's done in that style all these types of sites do. You know one huge long page with lots of yellow highlighting and dozens of fake "success" stories.
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Old 05-18-2005, 12:40 AM
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Okay so what's the catch with this Corey guy?

If he can make people so rich so easily why isn't everyone using his methods and getting rich? Pulse no offense to you, but you say he isn't a con, so why don't you follow his steps to making money on the net?
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Old 05-18-2005, 01:50 AM
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Finance sites? If I knew about finance, we wouldn't be in this situation
There is a huge difference between offering advice and running an information site with news and information. Take a look at Jeremy Wright's (from ensight.org) WealthyBlogger.com for example.

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You mean general sites on beuty or health (for example) or a content style site? Where do you get content from if you don't know enough about it to write it yourself?

Also, sorry to sound dumb here, what's CRM??
Well, that's where the exclusivity comes in. Though you can get reprintable articles but that really won't profit you much.

Internet is all about information and trust me, writing content is not that difficult.

CRM is Customer Relations Management.

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So you can literally make an ebook on anything?
Yes. Though it's a different matter that how much market that topic has.

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It's done in that style all these types of sites do. You know one huge long page with lots of yellow highlighting and dozens of fake "success" stories.
Faking a testimonial is a CRIME in USA. I agree that a lot of 'no-name' people fake testimonials but no established person would do it. And, Corey's MarketingTips.com has been there for a really long time.

The reason why he has a long sales letter is because it sells. EVERY Direct Marketing test which has been done till now shows that long sales letters beat short sales letter hands down when it comes to selling more.

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Okay so what's the catch with this Corey guy?

If he can make people so rich so easily why isn't everyone using his methods and getting rich? Pulse no offense to you, but you say he isn't a con, so why don't you follow his steps to making money on the net?
He is not promising to make you rich. He is telling how he did it.

The fundamental is same ->
1. Find what People want.
2. Develop a Product for that.
3. Market and sell it well.

He is telling you how he did it to earn what he is earning.

And, you really can't say that I am not following his steps. You don't know what all sites I run (I have about 100 domains and a lot of them are developed ) and neither you know my revenues. However, that is a different matter.

I told you what his formula is -> Find a Product that people want and Sell it well.

I have small preview course that he has sent to me by email. Try finding it on his site if he has it there now, otherwise reply here and I'd try to find it in my archive CDs for you.
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Old 05-18-2005, 04:41 AM
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I bought his binder course thing. Two week delivery time so I'll let you know what happens.
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Old 05-18-2005, 08:17 AM
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I bought his binder course thing. Two week delivery time so I'll let you know what happens.
Good luck! I really-really wish that you turn a profit online.

BTW just a tip - Did you take a look at CarSecrets.com? That's also Corey's site. And, he also sold Ferrari Badges on another site because the original ones costed too much and people got their Car badges stolen too often by punks.

So, Start hunting for what people want!
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Old 05-23-2005, 06:23 AM
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The material arrived today. That has to be the quickest delivery time I've ever seen of anything coming from America to here!

Two folders and 3 Cd's worth of stuff. Time to start reading!!
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Old 05-23-2005, 07:43 AM
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The material arrived today. That has to be the quickest delivery time I've ever seen of anything coming from America to here!

Two folders and 3 Cd's worth of stuff. Time to start reading!!
Indeed! That was real quick

Don't forget to tell us how it turns out for you!
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