Ignoramus6010 wrote

> them (and would list spammers), but the list has no clickable items,
> only website names. No <A HREF> there.

They're clickable in my Xnews!

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On 7 Jun 2005 16:51:44 GMT, Ignoramus6010
<ignoramus6010@NOSPAM.6010.invalid> wrote:

>Some clarifications. My stats pages are public for a good reason. They
>are public so it is easier for me to sell direct ads and links from my
>sites. I cannot make them private because of some spamming lowlifes.

If you don't mind me asking how does that work for you (selling ads
that is)?

I've been considering selling ads from some of my sites and would be
interested to know if it's going well or not.

>My stats are produced with analog, and the list of top referrers lists
>them (and would list spammers), but the list has no clickable items,
>only website names. No <A HREF> there. I doubt that major search
>engines would pick up those addresses, but I am not certain.

These pages right-
http://www.algebra.com/misc/analog/analog.html

You are right about the search engines not considering the URLs
without <A HREF> as links.

The reason they are referrer spamming your site is in the hope of
gaining text links (for the PR/link benefit). I guess they choose high
PR sites and hope they have stats pages that are indexed with referrer
links (most sites won't). Since you have no links to referrer sites
they won't gain anything from you (other than wasting your bandwidth).

Referrer spammers are looking for sites using Webalizer type stats
that do list the URLs of referring sites. If you use this stats
package and want to prevent PR leakage disallow your stats directory
via the robots.txt file.

The main search engines won't spider the page any longer.

If you don't have a robots.txt file create one with this as the
contents and upload to root-


User-agent: *
Disallow: /statistics/


Where statistics in the directory your stats are located.

It won't prevent links showing on stats pages, but will stop them
benefiting in PR terms from the links.

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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:34:52 GMT, SEO Dave <seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Jun 2005 16:51:44 GMT, Ignoramus6010
><ignoramus6010@NOSPAM.6010.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Some clarifications. My stats pages are public for a good reason. They
>>are public so it is easier for me to sell direct ads and links from my
>>sites. I cannot make them private because of some spamming lowlifes.
>
> If you don't mind me asking how does that work for you (selling ads
> that is)?

Pretty well, on both sites. I will not get into specifics, but let me
just say it pays for my lunches, as well as breakfasts and lunches and
dinners and snacks for my family. That's direct ads sold by me only,
adsense etc is not included in the above statement.

> I've been considering selling ads from some of my sites and would be
> interested to know if it's going well or not.

Never hurts to give it a try.

>>My stats are produced with analog, and the list of top referrers lists
>>them (and would list spammers), but the list has no clickable items,
>>only website names. No <A HREF> there. I doubt that major search
>>engines would pick up those addresses, but I am not certain.
>
> These pages right-
> http://www.algebra.com/misc/analog/analog.html

Yep.

> You are right about the search engines not considering the URLs
> without <A HREF> as links.

That's nice. Then, why do these *******s spam me, I wonder.

> The reason they are referrer spamming your site is in the hope of
> gaining text links (for the PR/link benefit). I guess they choose high
> PR sites and hope they have stats pages that are indexed with referrer
> links (most sites won't). Since you have no links to referrer sites
> they won't gain anything from you (other than wasting your bandwidth).

I am relieved. I do pay for bandwidth, though, so their abuse of it is
regrettable.

> Referrer spammers are looking for sites using Webalizer type stats
> that do list the URLs of referring sites. If you use this stats
> package and want to prevent PR leakage disallow your stats directory
> via the robots.txt file.

I see. Well, I am using analog and so this is not an issue. By the
way, I post a list of keywords and get quite a few hits on that.

> The main search engines won't spider the page any longer.
>
> If you don't have a robots.txt file create one with this as the
> contents and upload to root-
>
>
> User-agent: *
> Disallow: /statistics/
>
>
> Where statistics in the directory your stats are located.
>
> It won't prevent links showing on stats pages, but will stop them
> benefiting in PR terms from the links.

Thanks. I think that since I do not display links, there is not much
more to be done. I appreciate your knowledgeable advice.

i

On 7 Jun 2005 19:20:37 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus6010 wrote:
>
>> Pretty well, on both sites. I will not get into specifics, but let me
>> just say it pays for my lunches, as well as breakfasts and lunches and
>> dinners and snacks for my family.
>
> I always say it pays the rent :-) But I could say that instead.

Well, strictly speaking, the ads that I sell directly are not enough
to pay my mortgage.

>> That's direct ads sold by me only,
>> adsense etc is not included in the above statement.
>
> I always have the feeling that it's better do have direct advertizers. More
> work, but higher pay out.

I think that there is no reason not to have both kinds of advertisers.

I only sell text links.

>> That's nice. Then, why do these *******s spam me, I wonder.
>
> Did you check out their site?
>

It is some trash honeypot for google. domains like
make-money-in-poker.com linking to domains like
winning-poker-strategies.com or whatever. I spent about 5 seconds
there, so my summary may be incorrect.


i

Ignoramus6010 wrote:

> Pretty well, on both sites. I will not get into specifics, but let me
> just say it pays for my lunches, as well as breakfasts and lunches and
> dinners and snacks for my family.

I always say it pays the rent :-) But I could say that instead.

> That's direct ads sold by me only,
> adsense etc is not included in the above statement.

I always have the feeling that it's better do have direct advertizers. More
work, but higher pay out.

> That's nice. Then, why do these *******s spam me, I wonder.

Did you check out their site?

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Ignoramus6010 wrote:
> I receive a lot of spammy requests like the ones at the bottom of my article.
>
> What are they? Iunderstand that they are trying to referer spam me, but how? Is that some malware running on users' browsers?
>
> Should I block these requests? If so, how? I am running apache2. There are very many IP
> addresses involved.
>
> i
>
> 61.11.26.142 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:31:21 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/votes_for_deletion/log/2005_february_19.wikipedia HTTP/1.0" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/texas-hold-em.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Maxthon)"
> 200.77.229.133 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:31:22 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/votes_for_deletion/log/2005_february_19.wikipedia HTTP/1.1" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/texas-hold-em.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Maxthon)"
> 202.47.247.130 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:33:48 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/votes_for_deletion/log/2005_january_21.wikipedia HTTP/1.0" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/pacific-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; YANDEX)"
> 200.77.229.133 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:33:57 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/votes_for_deletion/log/2005_january_21.wikipedia HTTP/1.1" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/pacific-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; YANDEX)"
> 148.244.150.58 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:34:35 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/blair_p._houghton/archive/20050131.wikipedia HTTP/1.1" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/pacific-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; AIRF)"
> 200.77.229.133 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:34:43 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/verses_criticising_jews_in_the_new_testament_(arch ive).wikipedia HTTP/1.1" 200 8098 "http://www.poker-7.com/online-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; YANDEX)"
> 202.29.136.140 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:35:16 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/blair_p._houghton/archive/20050131.wikipedia HTTP/1.0" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/pacific-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; AIRF)"
> 200.77.229.133 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:35:17 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/blair_p._houghton/archive/20050131.wikipedia HTTP/1.1" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/pacific-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; AIRF)"
> 211.114.68.60 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:42:12 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/postcomment.wikipedia HTTP/1.0" 200 7151 "http://www.poker-7.com/party-poker.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)"
> 24.123.82.134 - - [07/Jun/2005:08:42:20 -0500] "GET /algebra/about/history/featured_article_removal_candidates/archive.wikipedia HTTP/1.0" 404 561 "http://www.poker-7.com/texas-holdem.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; AIRF)"

Yeah, you're getting this because your logs are publicly visible and
thus indexable by the SE's.

You might investigate the nofollow tag to prevent them from gaining any
benefit from the spam.

Ignoramus6010 wrote:

> On 7 Jun 2005 19:20:37 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>> I always have the feeling that it's better do have direct
>> advertizers. More work, but higher pay out.
>
> I think that there is no reason not to have both kinds of advertisers.

Agreed, but I prefer the direct ones.

> I only sell text links.

Ditto

>>> That's nice. Then, why do these *******s spam me, I wonder.
>>
>> Did you check out their site?
>
> It is some trash honeypot for google.

So they got a visitor. I wonder how many people just do referer spamming to
get visitors. Some might even buy, or email them angry (thanks for your
email address).

> domains like
> make-money-in-poker.com linking to domains like
> winning-poker-strategies.com or whatever. I spent about 5 seconds
> there, so my summary may be incorrect.

Don't be amazed if some people who get this kind of referer spam actually
start gambling.

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On 7 Jun 2005 19:20:37 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>Ignoramus6010 wrote:
>
>> Pretty well, on both sites. I will not get into specifics, but let me
>> just say it pays for my lunches, as well as breakfasts and lunches and
>> dinners and snacks for my family.
>
>I always say it pays the rent :-) But I could say that instead.

My non direct advertising pays the rent, all bills, holidays, pension
schemes, 3 kids university bottomless pit funds and the "we are buying
a new house as soon as the market stabilizes fund" :-)

>> That's direct ads sold by me only,
>> adsense etc is not included in the above statement.
>
>I always have the feeling that it's better do have direct advertizers. More
>work, but higher pay out.

Looks like I've been missing out then, I really should try to set some
up with all the traffic I get.

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Els wrote:

> William Tasso wrote:
>
>> From the relative comfort of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
>> boardroom,
>> <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> patched in a new connection to
>>
news:alt.internet.search-engines,alt.www.webmaster,alt.apache.configuration
>> and said:
>>
>>
>>> ...
>>> and finally I learned to ignore and made sure that my stats
>>> could never be viewed publicly.
>>
>> exactly so - can I have a penny for every available online stats report
>> please?
>
> Wanna share those pennies?

All I did was reply the message. No different than any of you guys did... I
wasn't sigin' a commercial site either, although the domain suffix is
deceiving.

Roy

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