"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
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> Stacey wrote:
<snip>

>> personal site.:-) Personally, what I am wondering is what is the most
>> important phrases for SEO?
>
> seo

I don't think an average person would search for that. That is why I am just
curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.

Stacey

Stacey wrote:

> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96618AE884E13castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> Stacey wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>> personal site.:-) Personally, what I am wondering is what is the
>>> most important phrases for SEO?
>>
>> seo
>
> I don't think an average person would search for that.

Can you define an average person?

> That is why I
> am just curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.

But are you an average person?

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Stacey wrote:
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96618AE884E13castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> > Stacey wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >> personal site.:-) Personally, what I am wondering is what is the most
> >> important phrases for SEO?
> >
> > seo
>
> I don't think an average person would search for that. That is why I am just
> curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.
>
> Stacey

You have hit on a good point Stacey as to what the average person would
search for. SEO as a *single* search word is *too global* even if it
was attainable, who would be able to deal with the enquiries it
generated effectively? I do not think that trying the *I want to
conquer the world theory* works very well or certainly not as well as
the *I want to conquer my little world theory* works. I have a theory
(but I understand that I may not be taken as valid because of my email
addy,) that while the word/words seo, search engine optimization,
search engine placement, search engine positioning etc may be familiar
to us here, they are not well known to the general public and hence it
is quite difficult to generate new work in this respect due to an
ignorance on behalf of the public. Bill has the right idea as he is #1
& #2 for seo surrey (well done BB) but I suspect he finds the same
*ignorance* as I mentioned earlier.

On 25 May 2005 15:50:44 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>solomon wrote:
>
>> to preach seo the *SEO Dave* way. It is not a question of standing up
>
>Just wondering, how does he rank for SEO on Google?

I'm told I'm at 537 myself. Useless.

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On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:09:32 -0400, "Stacey"
<stacey@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:

>"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns96618AE884E13castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> Stacey wrote:
><snip>
>
>>> personal site.:-) Personally, what I am wondering is what is the most
>>> important phrases for SEO?
>>
>> seo
>
>I don't think an average person would search for that. That is why I am just
>curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.
>
>Stacey

It's most likely search engine optimisation, seeing I'm speaking from
a British perspective.

BB

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On 25 May 2005 13:05:32 -0700, "solomon" <corruptsolicitor@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Stacey wrote:
>> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96618AE884E13castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> > Stacey wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> >> personal site.:-) Personally, what I am wondering is what is the most
>> >> important phrases for SEO?
>> >
>> > seo
>>
>> I don't think an average person would search for that. That is why I am just
>> curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.
>>
>> Stacey
>
>You have hit on a good point Stacey as to what the average person would
>search for. SEO as a *single* search word is *too global* even if it
>was attainable, who would be able to deal with the enquiries it
>generated effectively? I do not think that trying the *I want to
>conquer the world theory* works very well or certainly not as well as
>the *I want to conquer my little world theory* works. I have a theory
>(but I understand that I may not be taken as valid because of my email
>addy,) that while the word/words seo, search engine optimization,
>search engine placement, search engine positioning etc may be familiar
>to us here, they are not well known to the general public and hence it
>is quite difficult to generate new work in this respect due to an
>ignorance on behalf of the public. Bill has the right idea as he is #1
>& #2 for seo surrey (well done BB) but I suspect he finds the same
>*ignorance* as I mentioned earlier.

You're right about the small world thing. Still, better to reign in
Hell etc. I have two top ten positions for seo uk and two top fifty
for search engine optimisation uk. The seo uk postions are useless as
only the industry refers to what we do as seo. Occasionally Google
during one of its reshuffles positions me for a few days in the top
ten for search engine optimisation uk. Then the phone rings and people
always answer, when I ask how they found my number, that if I'm in
that position then I must know what I'm doing. I don't argue but
really, the people at the top rankings for the optimisation keyphrases
are there because (I'm thinking) they spammed their way there back
when you could get away with it and they survive there because due to
their visibility they went on to get genuine links. Which means anyone
trying to climb the greasy pole after them has no real chance. The
existence of companies who merrily take money for non-existent
services like multiple monthly resubmissions to dozens of non-existent
engines at the top of the rankings is just fine and dandy by Google
who are (I'm thinking again here) perfectly happy for you to come away
from the seo experience with nothing but a bad taste in your mouth and
an empty wallet.
Still, I got a client today who called because of my position for
"hoarding page rank". He's a bit confused about what PR is but hey,
who isn't. I'm sorting his site out fine for him. I must get around,
as I keep promising myself I will, to gaining more niche positioning.
It still works, even for seo-type phrases.

BB
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On 25 May 2005 10:48:45 -0700, "solomon" <corruptsolicitor@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Big Bill wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Not anyone who wishes to be taken seriously. It's like having a bent
>> MOT. It's like registering your tanker in Liberia. It doesn't exactly
>> inspire confidence.
>>
>Why Bill :-) how remiss of me to forget that freedom of speech on
>Usenet could be stifled if one used *free* email addresses. I didn't
>know that I had to wear a *collar and tie* before I could enter the
>*The Usenet Cafe*.
>
>Now where is that iron?

You left it with your bankers, in Lichtenstein.

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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
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> Can you define an average person?

If I have to describe it to you then you shouldn't be involved with SEO.


>> That is why I
>> am just curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.
>
> But are you an average person?

Does it matter? You should be curious yourself.

Stacey

"solomon" <corruptsolicitor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Stacey wrote:
>> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96618AE884E13castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> > Stacey wrote:
>> <snip>

>>
>> I don't think an average person would search for that. That is why I am
>> just
>> curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.
>
> You have hit on a good point Stacey as to what the average person would
> search for. SEO as a *single* search word is *too global* even if it
> was attainable, who would be able to deal with the enquiries it
> generated effectively?

I am not thinking to global just not an effective SERP. Most people who have
websites don't even have a clue what SEO is or Search Engine
Optimization/Optimisation. But they have clues about being in the top of a
search engine, wanting good traffic from search results etc.

You have some good points also Solomon.

Stacey

Stacey wrote:
> "solomon" <corruptsolicitor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1117051531.986595.146700@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > Stacey wrote:
> >> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns96618AE884E13castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> >> > Stacey wrote:
> >> <snip>
>
> >>
> >> I don't think an average person would search for that. That is why I am
> >> just
> >> curious. I am thinking site placement, etc...instead of SEO.
> >
> > You have hit on a good point Stacey as to what the average person would
> > search for. SEO as a *single* search word is *too global* even if it
> > was attainable, who would be able to deal with the enquiries it
> > generated effectively?
>
> I am not thinking to global just not an effective SERP. Most people who have
> websites don't even have a clue what SEO is or Search Engine
> Optimization/Optimisation. But they have clues about being in the top of a
> search engine, wanting good traffic from search results etc.
>
> You have some good points also Solomon.
>
> Stacey

Thank you. I agree that most people do not have a clue what seo is let
alone whether they could benefit from it. I find new clients often
comment that they have a web site but are very dissapointed by its
prior performance and have not found the sales that they thought would
*automatically* appear once some ****ager had designed their new
*online* company flagship. In these situations it can be difficult to
ensure client confidence for the future and as you rightly say, the
same people seem to know that featuring on top places would bring fruit
if only they knew how to get there. This to me is the *holy grail* of
seo, getting the person/company who matters to *know* he/they need your
services* must surely be the goose that lays the golden egg.